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Musician's Thread
« on: April 12, 2010, 08:34:26 AM »
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Hey everyone

Here is a little thread where we can all discuss our musical endeavours.

I'll start-

I am currently a student musician (lead and rhythm guitar), formally studying music part time. I am currently learning to play rock and blues as well as other forms of 80's music. I currently play on an Ibanez GSA 30 and Squier Strat, and am in the process of acquiring a VOX amp (of which I will definitely be posting a review :))
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2010, 08:55:57 AM »
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I have no musical talent whatsoever :D
It may have something to do with my very impatient nature.

I do like listening though.
I'm still basically stuck on Rock/Metal/Alternative since my teens...
Do we ever grow up? ;)
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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2010, 09:02:20 AM »
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No we don't ever grow up  ;) One just has to take a good look at Jeremy Clarkson to realize that LOL.

Yup, never under-estimate the listener, because you in acutal fact are the audience :)

Talent is one term that is loosely applied to people who seem to be remarkable. I have no talent for anything, but I am just very good at my career because I have the drive and determination to do so. Now I am simply applying that same drive and determination to my music, and so, the results are there.

My biggest difficulty in music is not the music, it is actually mechanical, getting my hands strong enough and trained to form shapes and skill in manipulating the guitar strings. And in that case, it takes just as long as anyone else.
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Re: Musician's Thread
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2010, 09:23:02 AM »
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I don't intend on growing up any time soon either :D

I hear what you are saying.

I'm probably not a very good coder either, just a very stubborn one.
I'll keep at it until I find a way to solve a problem. It really bugs me if I get stuck with something but I know that I will find a solution eventually.

I suppose the same thing can be applied to most things in life.
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 09:44:48 AM »
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Good, you should be as young as you want to be right throughout your life.

Likewise, when something bugs me I stick with it until I get it. A familiar story comes to mind of my teens:

When I was 15, I really wanted to be able to design a FM receiver. Not build one or copy one, but design one from scratch. The biggest stumbling block was the RF front end. I estimate I spent thousands of hours on that problem, not knowing why the damn thing refused to work. I mean I had the IF section working right until the demodulator, and tested by picking up 10.7MHz IF from a working FM radio, I even had a stereo decoder ready for the demodulator output.

It wasnt until July 1992, when I turned 17, that I figured out what was wrong and got the circuit to work somehow. And man, did it work, of course I blew the socks off everyone at school and the family but yes, it worked, with good stereo reception too.

Much later, when I was studying engineering, did I learn what I did wrong and how I managed to fix it. This is why I refuse to look at circuits downloaded from the internet, or from books that are not very good. I spent a good year and a 1/2 wasting time using a circuit I got, which had a glaring error. But besides that, perserverance paid off.

The same is equally true for guitar. I have never played any musical instrument ever, until this year. And it was farking difficult in January this year, getting to learn all about chords and scales and crap. But, I did the same again, worked at it until I got it figured out- to the extent now that I am coming up with my own riffs all the time, and my hands detest Barre chords- of course I am working at it full tilt, the biggest danger now is Carpal-Tunnel syndrome I've been repeatedly warned about how I hold my guitars :(
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 10:04:57 AM »
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Now that's what I call perseverance!

Strange how when a bug bites you with something you'll stick at it.

I remember buying imported computer magazines when there were'nt any personal computers around yet locally and just drooling over what I was reading about.
I eventually nagged my father enough so that he had one shipped to me from the U.K. ...

A brand spanking new Sinclair ZX81 with a whopping 1K of RAM, using the TV as a monitor and a normal audio cassette for storage.

The rest is history as they say... :D
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 10:11:43 AM »
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Awesome

I think I eventually chucked my ZX81 as it was basically just a PC board and wires and the tracks had begun to lift off the PC board :)
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Re: Musician's Thread
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 02:21:33 PM »
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Guitar certainly does take some perseverance but once you get the hang of it you won't look back. I sold my bloody guitar with the intention of soon getting another and now I have been stuck without for over a year.  >:(

I also enjoy buggering around with electronic type music.

I need to get a band going again now that I am thinking about it.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 09:15:20 AM »
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Indeed I agree with you fully
All I am doing is hanging in there like you said :) Well at least I can play now LOL
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 11:50:43 AM »
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I'll read this whole thread this afternoon. Right now I have something to ask tho...?

I play the guitar and some violin. Rather pretty good at guitar and proud of the work
I have done mastering this instrument (only acoustic).

Does a techno dial knob turner have the right to claim he can play "music".
Does it qualify as "music".

Surely anybody can do it - and the people defending their "musical" ability has no idea
what it takes to actually learn a musical instrument.

Or am I just completely biased towards all sounds electronic?
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2010, 12:05:01 PM »
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That is a good question Bruce.

Personally I am not a very big fan of electronic music. That said, I do concede there is some brilliant techno synth music out there, and by that token those people can hold claim to calling themselves musicians.

However, folks like the little teenyboppers who use off-the-shelf software to create their one-hit-wonder in their bedroom, it is debatable.
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2010, 03:22:05 PM »
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I'll read this whole thread this afternoon. Right now I have something to ask tho...?

I play the guitar and some violin. Rather pretty good at guitar and proud of the work
I have done mastering this instrument (only acoustic).

Does a techno dial knob turner have the right to claim he can play "music".
Does it qualify as "music".

Surely anybody can do it - and the people defending their "musical" ability has no idea
what it takes to actually learn a musical instrument.

Or am I just completely biased towards all sounds electronic?

Completely biased without a doubt.  :D

I have been playing guitar for over a decade now, I'm not enormously good since I failed to practice effectively but I have a vague clue as to the work involved.

I am very interested in electronic music and I can tell you there is a lot more to electronic music than just techno, which, yes I agree, is pretty lame.

Think about this: You learn a guitar, it's relatively simple - Teach your muscles to make the correct shapes + some basic music theory and that's it, you can now play guitar.

Electronic music as a general sort of idea encompasses thousands upon thousands of vastly different platforms. First, you need to learn a lot of different hardware, whether you are using analogue equipment to generate your sounds or a software synthesizer of some sort you still need to be pretty clued up with computers at a minimum.

The variety of incarnations that software and hardware can present in, demands a thorough and in-depth technical knowledge so that you can carry your expertise across platforms.

Unlike a guitar, which only generates essentially only one sound, when it comes to electronic music you need to have a knowledge of how sound is generated at a fundamental (pun intended) level since you are responsible for crafting timbres that have not ever existed before.

Music theory wise you also need a good knowledge of rhythm (Drum beats are HARD to program), melody, harmony and song structure.

Not to mention as well that 'electronic music' and conventional instruments are inexorably intertwined in modern music - If you put the radio on and listen to just about any song and much of what you hear is probably just one person sitting behind a computer who can craft the most incredibly realistic sounds that are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing.

As a guitarist and a 'knob twiddler' I can assure you that of the two, knob twiddling is perhaps easier to do badly but infinitely more difficult to master.

For a good introduction to some good stuff I recommend a band called 'Boards of Canada' and for slightly more conventional stuff 'Imogen Heap'.

Cheers!  :D
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Re: Musician's Thread
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 03:20:16 PM »
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I agree with where you are coming from

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Think about this: You learn a guitar, it's relatively simple - Teach your muscles to make the correct shapes + some basic music theory and that's it, you can now play guitar.

That is indeed so, but there are also loads more things that can be done due to the versatility of the instrument. The same applies to any other instrument.

For this reason I made sure that I get solid music theory under my belt, because although I love guitars, that's only part of it, composition and other stuff requires the full spectrum I'm afraid.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 03:47:25 PM »
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I agree with where you are coming from

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Think about this: You learn a guitar, it's relatively simple - Teach your muscles to make the correct shapes + some basic music theory and that's it, you can now play guitar.

That is indeed so, but there are also loads more things that can be done due to the versatility of the instrument. The same applies to any other instrument.

For this reason I made sure that I get solid music theory under my belt, because although I love guitars, that's only part of it, composition and other stuff requires the full spectrum I'm afraid.

Sure, my overarching point though is that as versatile as a guitar might be, an electronic music setup is literally infinitely more versatile.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 04:31:58 PM »
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Indeed, thanks in part to the microprocessor
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