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bRUCE

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« on: April 16, 2010, 11:01:05 PM »
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2012 is a fun and very controversial topic at this stage. Just like every time humans found some symbolic reason that the end of everything is near. It's fun to watch "intelligent" people step in the trap sensationalists rig by confusing the shit out of them - only to imprint a sure belief of imminent doom. This is not the first time dooms day prophets profited from the gullible, people have been falling hook line and sinker over and over again throughout history. Follow this link http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm to have a gas at some of the stupidest reasons people have feared the end of the world were upon them.

These are only recorded events. Just imagine how many times shamans or tribal visionaries predicted doom to villages and tribes? That would make this list of 45 or so of the most recent ones to thousands upon thousands of incidents.

The Y2K and now the 2012 apocalypse dates were probably the first to play off in the global village. And it seems we have a shit load of dumb villagers around.
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2010, 11:03:36 PM »
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I am glad to report that I have yet to meet someone silly enough to worry about 2012. 2010 is a big enough concern for most.
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 11:09:49 PM »
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Quote from: Ziltoid the Omniscient on April 16, 2010, 11:03:36 PM
I am glad to report that I have yet to meet someone silly enough to worry about 2012. 2010 is a big enough concern for most.

Oh there are a lot :o
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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2010, 11:15:52 PM »
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I suppose in a world full of doomsday creationists (of which I have met many) I shouldn't be surprised.

And mankind reckons themselves to be some kind of advanced animal. Sometimes I wonder.
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 10:21:18 AM »
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The Mayan calendar 'ending' in 2012 has raised more questions than it has answered.

It could be interpreted as the ending of an 'age', with a new one to replace it.
However for it to be interpreted literally we would have to assume a state of technological advancement way beyond our own.

Any society can degenerate technologically mostly leaving no trace whatsoever of any artifacts.
These by nature are fragile constructs not adapted to surviving the eons.

I find it unlikely that the Mayans had progressed to such an advanced state before a 'fall', but this is all conjecture.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 12:02:40 AM »
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I understand what you are trying to say Eps, but can I put a stick in the "Some stuff will not last" theory some anthropologists have regarding sensitive constructs?

Let's take modern stuff for example - a harddrive. It stores data, and data is the reason we have the harddrive. In 600 years from now evidence of a hard drive will still be around to suggest some sort of technology, sans the data it hosted. Along with all the other stuff we have like optic fibres, cpu's chips, etc etc etc - not everything in the ensemble of technological devices we have today will still be around in 600 - hell even 5000 years, but there will be a lot of traces of some sort of industrial and technological advancement in our species.

The Mayans, unfortunately symbolized stuff they saw around them and from the skies. They kept very primitive record of stuff and it only took a bunch of anthropologists and astro quacks to sell another dooms day prophecy and they also did a great job at securing themselves 15 minutes of fame on the Discovery Channel.

The only good thing the Mayan did was invent Tequila... um, I'm sorry that was the Aztecs. Damn Mayans.
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 11:57:45 AM »
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I think the point regarding constructs I was trying to make is the following:

By chance they may last 500 years if we are lucky.
Lasting 3 - 4 thousand years is another matter entirely.

Any satellites in the sky would fall.
So getting back to the Mayans it raises questions over why exactly they had a dual conduit stone channel running in one of their buildings?
If it was there merely to transport water a single conduit could have done the same job just as well.

Countering parts of my own argument here, it's highly unlikely that a technologically advanced society is going to be using stone as a conduit for their telecoms needs, is it not?
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 12:21:49 PM »
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Yes. The spanish who basically wiped them out did not see any laptops lying around.

They were a highly symbolic people - that's why it is so difficult to decipher their stuff and it leaves ample room for our own modern imaginations to run wild.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2010, 01:39:49 PM »
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They remain an enigmatic culture nonetheless.
A worthy study of subject.
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 07:48:58 AM »
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Quote from: Epsilon on April 18, 2010, 01:39:49 PM
They remain an enigmatic culture nonetheless.
A worthy study of subject.

Absolutely. I have the same respect for them as I have for the Egyptians, Aztecs and the ancient Chinese.
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2010, 08:45:09 AM »
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Did you know how old this 2012 business is?

Back in 2003, some people on now defunct vurtspace forums were already discussing it and all that.

Its like, a fad.
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2010, 09:10:08 AM »
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Quote from: Jason on April 19, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Did you know how old this 2012 business is?

As old as the Mayans?  ;D
Probably as outdated as well.

The only thing I am not looking forward to is to resume paying my taxes come January 2013 :-X
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2010, 10:41:53 AM »
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On a related note, I watched the movie 2012 recently. What an awful, awful load of tripe.
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2010, 02:31:16 AM »
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Quote from: Jason on April 19, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Did you know how old this 2012 business is?

Back in 2003, some people on now defunct vurtspace forums were already discussing it and all that.

Its like, a fad.

Yeah Jason. I was aware of this prediction probably prior to 2000, It's hard to say exactly.

@Bruce Precisely like you stated, The Aztecs Mayans and Egyptians will remain enigmatic in their own true sense. 
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Re: 2012?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2010, 02:34:46 AM »
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Quote from: Ziltoid the Omniscient on April 19, 2010, 10:41:53 AM
On a related note, I watched the movie 2012 recently. What an awful, awful load of tripe.

I can only agree with you on that count.
After the nth plane dive into a hole that has miraculously appeared it does start getting a bit old.
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