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How sad Prophecy has become
« on: August 05, 2010, 02:36:22 PM »
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Was browsing the internet today and found this
http://www.evilsod.com/

A whole dedicated website where Prophecy Forums members can insult people and engage in crimen injuria. This is a spin-off from a historical part of that forum that had a private topic called "Flame Zone" I used to be part of that forum but left years ago because it became a "cooler as ekke" club and because I was being constantly attacked for no good reason.
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 07:16:38 PM »
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http://www.evilsod.com/showthread.php?69-Beards!
Now That is some funny shit.

I can see myself slinging some serious verbal phoo around at a place like this  8)
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 07:17:10 PM »
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And is it our Jay posting away over there?  :P
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2010, 09:40:58 AM »
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Yup, I was wondering if it is our Jay, I am waiting for him to raise his hand, or not :)
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2010, 10:54:56 AM »
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http://www.evilsod.com/showthread.php?69-Beards!
Now That is some funny shit.


Yeah loved it :D

I'm also wondering about Jay...
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 09:42:04 PM »
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Was browsing the internet today and found this
http://www.evilsod.com/

A whole dedicated website where Prophecy Forums members can insult people and engage in crimen injuria. This is a spin-off from a historical part of that forum that had a private topic called "Flame Zone" I used to be part of that forum but left years ago because it became a "cooler as ekke" club and because I was being constantly attacked for no good reason.


Sorry for the thread necro. Just got notified about this (well timed notification - a few more days and this would be last year's news ;) ).

Just for clarification, I want to state that Evilsod is a spin off from the PH forums, not a part of it. Basically, we canned the Flame Zone (for various reasons - and there are quite a lot of threads about this on both Phforums and Evilsod, if you are interested in knowing them all - which I doubt) and the FZ guys decided to start Evilsod.

There was a bit of animosity initially, but I now think everyone is over it, and most feel that it's been the best for both communities that it happened.

Just thought I'd give some clarity.

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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 11:59:48 PM »
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Ah Henk, so nice of you to join us.

So just like some other chap we know well, who goes by the name of Rudolph, you also enlist the services of informants?

Since I was a member of your forum (left cause there's really no point- I am not a gamer, nor do I behave like your forum members I do believe I am above the whole lot) I can offer some insight here.

I am sorry to say but that Flamezone thing, was pretty fucked up! And to now make a separate website- geez.... how pathetic... but yes, oh so typically South African..... EPIC FAIL!!!!

I also wish to state that your forum, especially FlameZone, it really made an impression on me as to what kinds of people the South African IT community consists of, the same lot of course, who threaten me on the road when I pull off too slow for their liking. The same lot who the other day tried to fuck me up at the mall 'cause I was apparently staring at him, meantime I was trying to see what fucking cool phone the arsehole had.... ::)

Many people like to argue "ah but its only the internet" but sorry my friend, there's lines in life you do not cross. You do not insult a bloke's mother, nor do you insult his wife. Both of these took place in your FlameZone, where these so-called "IT Professionals" behaved like fucking baboons and you allowed it. Hate speech is hate speech, no matter how you sugar-coat it. I do not forget shit like that, nor the perpetrators, most of whom I've traced to the employ of some mighty fine ICT companies. I wonder if they behave like that at work? Some are self-employed, and are getting their just deserve as I refuse to do business with them- ask uFis!

I will never forget my friend, but there's one thing you need to know, I am a better person these days, I do not react, nor take revenge. I could have shown you how it feels, by giving you neg rep for this post of yours but why? I am here, and I am happy here, I contribute to this forum and I get to engage with people who are on the same intellectual level as me, and trust me, we have some pretty smart blokes on this forum, not the l33t type that comes en-masse to your forum
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 07:27:06 AM »
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Jason, I don't know Henk, or the forum in question, so I'm afraid your post is somewhat confusing. While I have no reason to doubt that you were abused on that particular forum, what I'm not getting is why Henk deserves that sort of response to a quite innocuous post? For example, accusing him of having spies is weird. Maybe he just looked at the referrer logs for evilsod, and saw some hits coming from here, for example?
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 08:31:34 AM »
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Morning Jacques

I'll clarify more as soon as I can get some time- my uncle's garage was struck by lightning on Wed morning so I am having to build new computers and do general circuit board repairs.

Henk aka FireStar is the owner of Prophecy.co.za, the big gamer forum and shop. To cut a long story short, he became a bit of a jerk towards me regarding the Flamezone on his forum, he eventually banned me from the forum aswell, which really doesn't faze me. What bothers me is that he allowed the usual suspects on his forum (Rince, Mother, Lord Spaceman, eyegod, etc...) to really get very personal with me regarding their insults, I am sorry but, internet or not, that is not how respectable people behave. I feel strongly about what happened, and the fact that he told me basically to STFU with regards to it. The incidents have really shattered my view about IT and in particular, avid gamers to the extent that I refuse to go to conventions at all...

Maybe I was out of line, if so I will clean up the post, but this is one issue in my life I feel very strongly about, and testament to the fact is, that I haven't been able to let it go in 4 years... that says something.
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 12:02:32 PM »
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Ah, that makes more sense. In context, the tone of your response seems more appropriate. Henk, you're of course free to tell us your side of the story too.
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 02:03:38 PM »
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henks side of the story is like this...

the flame zone was a magical place that you had to specifically ask to gain access to.
when you did you got told if anyone calls you a bad name and you feel like having a little boo boo then please don't come crying to the mods because we don't care.
jason obviously then got called a bad name and had a little boo boo and then went crying to the mods who obviously didn't care.

it was a terrible day for jason, those long four years ago.
he must've updated his livejournal or written it down in his diary or something, and then waited.
waited till the day the fz finally fell, and prophecy disbanded it...

oh such joy he must have felt on that day, the day he got to have his cake and eat it, tasting the sweet sweet revenge.
but alas, it was short lived, for the fz had merely moved on, not disbanded.
there was much cursing and gnashing of teeth the day someone discovered www.evilsod.com

all of the times when someone called him bad names came rushing back, the urge to boo boo was strong.
the cake tasted bitter and there was no more colour in his world.

hence this thread it seems.....



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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 08:17:36 PM »
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Ah Henk, so nice of you to join us.

So just like some other chap we know well, who goes by the name of Rudolph, you also enlist the services of informants?

Since I was a member of your forum (left cause there's really no point- I am not a gamer, nor do I behave like your forum members I do believe I am above the whole lot) I can offer some insight here.

I am sorry to say but that Flamezone thing, was pretty fucked up! And to now make a separate website- geez.... how pathetic... but yes, oh so typically South African..... EPIC FAIL!!!!

I also wish to state that your forum, especially FlameZone, it really made an impression on me as to what kinds of people the South African IT community consists of, the same lot of course, who threaten me on the road when I pull off too slow for their liking. The same lot who the other day tried to fuck me up at the mall 'cause I was apparently staring at him, meantime I was trying to see what fucking cool phone the arsehole had.... ::)

Many people like to argue "ah but its only the internet" but sorry my friend, there's lines in life you do not cross. You do not insult a bloke's mother, nor do you insult his wife. Both of these took place in your FlameZone, where these so-called "IT Professionals" behaved like fucking baboons and you allowed it. Hate speech is hate speech, no matter how you sugar-coat it. I do not forget shit like that, nor the perpetrators, most of whom I've traced to the employ of some mighty fine ICT companies. I wonder if they behave like that at work? Some are self-employed, and are getting their just deserve as I refuse to do business with them- ask uFis!

I will never forget my friend, but there's one thing you need to know, I am a better person these days, I do not react, nor take revenge. I could have shown you how it feels, by giving you neg rep for this post of yours but why? I am here, and I am happy here, I contribute to this forum and I get to engage with people who are on the same intellectual level as me, and trust me, we have some pretty smart blokes on this forum, not the l33t type that comes en-masse to your forum

Hi Jason,

There seem to be a miscommunication here. I am not a part of Evilsod. It's not run by me, owned by me, affiliated with myself or Prophecy or Phforums in any way. There is no connection there at all. The Flame Zone is something that has long gone against my beliefs. When it became a business decision, I could no longer ignore the facts, and we decided to do away with it. This spawned Evilsod, run by Jay, Preacher and that gang. Many of our (phforums) members left for Evilsod, and our forums is a lot quieter than it used to be, but also a lot more relaxed.

With regards to the banning, I can honestly say that I cannot remember banning you (nor can I remember you at all), I'm afraid. We have had VERY few bannings. I would say that, in total, over all the years that I've been running phforums, we probably had 15 odd people banned. This is a thumbsuck, but I can check the stats. We've also migrated three times to other forum software and domain names and such, and each time, all the bannings were reversed, to give each member another chance to be a part of the community. We have a VERY relaxed banning policy. Therefore, if you were banned, you must have caused a lot of issues, or you must have caught us at a bad time (we are human after all). This said, the FZ was always a hidden forum, and access was granted only after it was requested. I've put up as many warnings as I could, and they were always ignored. In the end, if you walk around in Hillbrow at night, you must expect to be mugged. This is the same in FZ. I tend to avoid bad neighbourhoods, and people who don't want to get mugged, should've avoided the FZ.

I hope this explains a bit better where we come from. I'm not expecting you to forget (or to forgive) what happened to you on our forums, and I don't expect you to join our forums because everything is now fine and dandy since the FZ was canned. I also don't expect you to all of a sudden start purchasing from my store for your next upgrade. That is your prerogative.

All I am asking is that you understand that I'm just a normal guy who runs a forum and a shop, and to hold something against me, that happened 4 years ago is probably a little bit over the top though, wouldn't you say? Especially considering that it's something as silly as banning you from an internet forum.

Either way, I just wanted to clear up that Evilsod is not in any way related/affiliated with Prophecy or it's forums, owners or employees. Hope this point was at least brought across well :)

Cheers!

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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 08:36:41 PM »
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Ah, that makes more sense. In context, the tone of your response seems more appropriate. Henk, you're of course free to tell us your side of the story too.

The number of people we ban in a year excluding spammers is in the single digits.  Every person that does get banned is given several chances to work within PH.  The reasons we ban are simple, racism, piracy, personal attacks.  The rule of personal attacks was relaxed in Flame Zone is because that is what it was an area to flame each other.  It had a disclaimer that it was not for the faint hearted or prone to emotional meltdowns.

Henk had the good reason instead of banning a good number of people to sit down and try and find an alternate solution which we did in Evilsod.

Sorry Jason but if you know Henk the crap you are spewing about him now could not be more from the truth.  He is one of the most reasonable, objective and kind hearted people around.  If you got banned it was for a damn good reason and because you crossed the line more than once.

Hate Evilsod all you want it has its place and worth more than a few laughs, obviously something you never understood FZ to be which is probably why you did get banned in the first place.  If you took FZ seriously or Evilsod for that matter, you don’t understand the concept very really well in the first place.

PS.  Trust me its not your Jay posting there.
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 08:48:16 PM »
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Yes, I run Evilsod.

I'm a little bit in two minds here. On the one hand this is an issue that deserves to be rebuked.

On the other hand this is a forum with a grand total of 21 members and I can't help but it's not worth the effort it would take to slam my cock repeatedly on the keyboard in an effort to formulate a reply that you might understand.

Don't look so confused - it worked on your mom.

Look, I've been a Prophecy admin pretty much since the site started, before it was even called Prophecy. During hat entire time, and despite my reputation for being a hardarse, I can count the amount of people that have been banned on one hand. The only one of those you fit the bill for was banned from EvilSod two months ago as well, so that's not you either. So I'm not sure which one you were, but considering every single one of them did enough to make them memorable to the degree that I'm on a first name basis with them, I'm tempted to call bullshit right off the bat

And you pissed FireStar off enough that he was uncivil to you? Do you have ANY idea just how difficult that is? You picked the single most tolerant person I know and accused him of intolerance to the degree of banning you? Yeah, my bullshit-o-meter just went off the charts.

But all that aside, how empty must your little existence be that you come here to have a whinge about a so-called injustice that was done to you four years ago? A pointless, uneducated, unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, completely fucktarded whinge. Seriously, how was this even worth the time it took to type?

Go out and get a hobby. Do something meaningful with your life. Find a way to exist beyond the internet. Yes, I know - "Oh but I have a life. Really." - that's what they all say. But quite frankly, anyone who makes this big an issue out of a piddly, dubious little slight on their dignity four years previously has WAY bigger issues than can be solved by a bit of community support.

EvilSod was formed to allow a more open expression of viewpoints, beliefs and opinions than were allowed at PH. I invite all of you to sign up and come and join in the discourse.

And one day I might even tell you about that thing I do to your mom with the duct tape, cricket bat and mayonnaise.

And why she gives me a discount for it these days.
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Re: How sad Prophecy has become
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 09:17:39 PM »
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What the fark is going on here?

Good grief.

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