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Who is Angus Buchan?
« on: April 14, 2010, 10:48:58 AM »
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Well since the Mighty Men Conference was mentioend this morning, I did some digging and have found some interesting facts that are worth knowing.

Multiple Google sources are quoted below.
I have quoted some interesting bits here and it is important that we look at Angus Buchan background in order to understand the man behind the message.

http://technorati.com/lifestyle/article/controversial-religious-movement-gaining-ground/

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Buchan believes his brand of Christianity will “restore men to their rightful place” in life, a message extremely attractive to men going through the conditions that Dreyer describes. However, the very name, “MIGHTY MEN,” speaks volumes.

While sharing a message about this “rightful place,” which he does “ad nauseam,” — a brief phrase easily missed in the midst of everything else mentioned — raised some concerns. The red flag, of sorts, came in the form of these words, which no doubt betrayed his stance and attitude: “We must make our wives in to the people God intended them to be.” This quote sounds rather musty and old, but also dangerous as it assumes some disturbing notions.


Interesting comments from him.
I get very nervous when someone starts talking about "rightful place" it means that there is also a "wrongful place".


http://factonista.org/2008/09/17/potato-preacher/

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=139&art_id=vn20080915143121108C500724

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Buchan subscribes to a conservative moral code, making it clear that homosexuality, divorce and pre-marital sex cannot be condoned.

In a press conference just after his talk, Buchan explained his stance, adding that many gay and lesbian people had become heterosexual through prayer.

"I cannot ever agree that homosexuality is right, I cannot bless it. I love them though, but they need help. We have prayed for them and God has changed their hearts."


I am fascinated to find out how homosexuality resides in the heart when there is overwhelming theories that it is genetic.

http://www.iam.org.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=256&Itemid=99

The above is an entire paper on Angus's stance and his opinions.
Makes for interesting reading.

I am concerned that he is delivering the wrong message to so many people.
Impressionable minds of a groupe of people that are feeling discarded and a message of "rightful place" is a dangerous combination.
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Re: Who is Amgus Buchan?
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2010, 11:03:11 AM »
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Sounds like the typical knight of the old testament.

An uptight, judgmental twit viewed as a champion of all that is good by the millions of people he takes money from.

Although, to be fair I am just guessing.
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Re: Who is Amgus Buchan?
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2010, 12:02:57 PM »
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Don't underestimate the power of guessing.

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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2010, 12:10:03 PM »
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Guessing is informal faith.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2010, 01:12:33 PM »
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Very informal.

The further away from faith my brain stays, the happier I am.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 01:34:41 PM »
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Buchan subscribes to a conservative moral code, making it clear that homosexuality, divorce and pre-marital sex cannot be condoned.

I am really sorry but we live in 2010.

In terms of homosexuality, some people are born that way and I am fast beginning to believe that it is the will of the Creator or God, whichever you prefer. I am speaking from experience, my cousin is gay, and we were very close. They are always harping on about it, for fuck's sake leave the gay people alone already!!

Divorce is another issue- they cannot expect people to stay in abusive and unhappy marriages, I am sorry it does not work that way. How many more women must be killed at the hands of their abusive husbands before they wake up and smell the coffee.

As for pre-martial sex, on that key issue I will definitely speak out. Biologically we were put together a certain way and that is contradictory to how our bodies work.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 02:31:36 PM »
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Sorry Jason, accidentally clicked on the vote down button after voting up.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 03:20:14 PM »
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He is creating a new generation of extremists. When will the world learn? :-X
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 04:19:28 PM »
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Sorry Jason, accidentally clicked on the vote down button after voting up.

There. I fixed it. ;)
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2010, 04:23:45 PM »
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He is creating a new generation of extremists. When will the world learn? :-X

Which is exactly why I refuse to be a part of any organized formal religion.
I have my own set of religious beliefs cobbled together from probably a couple of different belief systems as well as being based on personal experience.

I have always believed in investigating things for myself and forming an opinion, rather than accepting what someone tells me because that person may have so called "authority".
I have a simple motto which probably explains it (not sure of the origin)
"Investigate all things and retain the good"
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 04:30:00 PM »
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I think going into the future it is better if religion was not organized and the general public can follow their own beliefs, unless of course they choose to subscribe to organized religion.

Religious extremism, that is something I have an issue with because before long it leads to massive misconception and attacks on the pillars of the modern world.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2010, 04:38:12 PM »
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You have a point Jason.

My issue with organized religion is basically that parents induct their children into the same religion they believe in from an age where a child has no proper concept what these issues encompass. Thus organized 'indoctrination' of sorts.
In the process their minds are shut to alternatives at that young age.

This is really not much different from how beliefs are instilled in children from a very young age in cults.

How each person wants to raise their child is a highly personal matter, but I feel this is something parents should consider.
Of course the chances are 99.99% the parents went through exactly the same experience when they were young and are just repeating the process.

I may be simplifying matters here, but that's my take on it in any event.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 04:53:15 PM »
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Yes, that has happened from generation to generation.

Nowadays though I am seeing a trend where people are starting to relax about religion. In my case, I am giving my child the choice. I am not forcing anything on him, as much as I'd like to steer him in a certain direction I have consciously decided to let him be, within the constraints of my moral code and rules on my house.

The Christian church lately likes to harp on about co-habitating couples. My wife and I lived together before we got married- a very necessary step in our case. But the churches go absolutely bananas about it because it is "morally wrong" etc... Today's world is too full of psychos and other deviants, you have to "test-drive" before you commit, I know that is really blunt but it boils down to that.
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Re: Who is Angus Buchan?
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 05:15:03 PM »
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You have a good take on matters Jason.

I think the morals and ethics are the important parts that a parent can instill and also by the same token hold themselves true to.
The rest is probably best left to the individuals to decide for themselves.

Sure there is nothing wrong with a parent giving a child information about the religion they perhaps believe strongly in.
This needs to balanced though by giving that same child some information about other religions and belief systems or at least make the child aware of these so that they may investigate further if they wish.
It is this balance that is missing.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2010, 05:37:19 PM »
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I think the morals and ethics are the important parts that a parent can instill and also by the same token hold themselves true to.
The rest is probably best left to the individuals to decide for themselves.

Sorry to perhaps burst this (very popular) bubble, but most of the evidence suggests that parenting has very little to do with the way kids turn out. Read "The Nurture Assumption" and "No Two Alike" by Judith Rich Harris if you want to look at the data.

Sure there is nothing wrong with a parent giving a child information about the religion they perhaps believe strongly in.
This needs to balanced though by giving that same child some information about other religions and belief systems or at least make the child aware of these so that they may investigate further if they wish.
It is this balance that is missing.

If you're a devout believer, is this balance possible? In other words, would you be able to present an objective view of competing beliefs, in cases where you believe those beliefs to be not only wrong, but responsible for leading people to damnation?
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